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kdavid -



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this looks like a terrible deal to me. 22 hours of teaching for a paltry 4000rmb? good luck trying
to learn mandarin with that kind of workload!

terryswift: Have you ever been to Harbin? Probably not, otherwise you'd know that a modest
life-style in this city is around 1000 RMB per month. Some months I have trouble spending that
much. Also, note the pay jump that takes place upon resigning with the school after the initial 6
months training.

Also, 22 hours a week is considered a big workload? Not sure what type of work you're doing, but
this is much less than the average Joe back home would be working--not to mention those working 6
- 8 hours a day in public schools across China. Most teachers have a heavy load on Saturdays and
Sundays (3 - 4 classes for 6 - 8 hours each of these two days) followed with an evening class /
university classes on the weekdays.

This type of schedule allows for plenty of time to study--not to mention the opportunity to be
immersed an a Mandarin-only environment. It's absolutely essential that foreigners here learn to
speak Mandarin in order to survive--thus providing the best enviornment possible for those
considering serious study.

And, yes, I am involved with this program. I have no qualms whatsoever about recommending this
program to those like panny (the original poster) who are interested in studying Mandarin while
teaching full-time.



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mpallard -

a little defensive aren't we?










terryswift -

the vast majority of teaching jobs that people i know have (or have held) have included a larger
salary than that, with fewer teaching hours. sure, you can find many universities offering those
kind of low salaries, but they also should include holiday pay, housing (or housing allowance),
and a round-trip air ticket after a one year contract (or one-way after six months). and you can
often negotiate to join the chinese program in that university, free of charge. and yes, 22 hours
is a heavy workload. also, if you are interested in this or other positions, check to see if that
is 22 clock hours, or 22 class hours (usually 45 or 50 minute periods). check some websites for
comparisons, e.g. daveseslcafe.com. i am not sure what your comment about the average joe in the
u.s. has to do with anything- i dont think joe is making only the equivalent of 4000rmb per month
if he is a teacher.

and no, i havent been to harbin, but have been around china and so i am aware that if you want to,
you can live on 1000rmb a month. i could also eat all of my meals at cheap restaraunts of the
university dining hall and do the same in beijing.

so again, in my opinion, this is not a good deal. it is also my opinion that you should state your
involvement with a company before posting a recommendation. but of course, these are only my
opinions, and i could be wrong.










roddy -

When I worked in Harbin about five or six years ago I was on 5k for 20 class hours per week. I'd
got myself a rise due to being more experienced than the other teachers (actually, it was more a
case of 'look, I've been to China before. You can be fairly sure I'm not going to decide I don't
like it and run away. What's that worth?') who were on 4k.

I'm not sure how the market has changed since then, but I would have expected salaries to have
risen quite a bit since then. 22 hours is no great workload though, assuming that you are either
experienced or negligent enough that you don't need to spend hours on preparation.

As an aside, I really do recommend anyone commenting on a company they are associated with -
either as owner, employee, customer, grudge-bearer - makes the relationship clear in the first
instance. It's relevant information and not revealing it leads to the question "Why?".










kdavid -



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the vast majority of teaching jobs that people i know have (or have held) have included a larger
salary than that

You're profile states that you're in Beijing. I'd hope that teachers in Beijing are getting paid
more than 4000 a month as the cost of living is quite high there.

Also, I'd like to point out something that you probably didn't catch in the FAQ section: Our
partner school is sponsoring these TESOL trainees--this means that there is no cost for the TESOL
training aside from the $200 deposit (you're average study-abroad TESOL course is about $1500).

In regards to the monthly salary, trainees are eligible for up to 1000 RMB a month in bonuses
after the 3rd month, making the salary 5000 RMB a month, and receive a significant pay raise after
graduation from the diploma course if they decide to resign.



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you can find many universities offering those kind of low salaries, but they also should include
holiday pay, housing (or housing allowance)

We provide free private accomdation in newly rennovated apartments. Lunch and dinner are also
provided.



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22 hours is a heavy workload

I just don't agree with this at all.



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As an aside, I really do recommend anyone commenting on a company they are associated with -
either as owner, employee, customer, grudge-bearer - makes the relationship clear in the first
instance.

Agreed. I've fixed this.










liuzhou -



Quote:

Quote:22 hours is a heavy workload

I just don't agree with this at all.

I spent over ten years teaching in China and never worked more than 16 'hours'. The hours were
only 45 minutes! Most teachers (chinese) taught fewer hours.










gato -

To be on the safe side, one should assume that each hour of classroom teaching requires at least
one hour of outside preparation and homework grading. So 22 hours per week probably translates to
more than 40 hours a week of actual work.










kdavid -



Quote:

I spent over ten years teaching in China and never worked more than 16 'hours'.

You got quite a good deal. I've never heard of this before. Almost all contracts I've seen have
been 20+



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To be on the safe side, one should assume that each hour of classroom teaching requires at least
one hour of outside preparation and homework grading. So 22 hours per week probably translates to
more than 40 hours a week of actual work.

For new teachers in training, I agree with this assessment 100%. New teachers often do spend a lot
of time preparing for classes. Grading papers does take some time as well, but generally only
around the mid- or end of a term when papers are due and tests are being taken.

On the other side, experienced teachers may spend no more than 15 - 20 minutes per class
preparing. At this point in time, I sit down on Friday afternoons and spend 2 hours preparing for
the entire week. Now, while a new teacher cannot expect to do things this quickly, it does come
with time.










Rincewind -

In my school in Liaoning, the deal is comparable to that mentioned above. When I first came, I did
15 hours per week teaching for 3k salary. That 15 hours was really 10 classes of 45 minutes and 5
of 55 minutes each. So not real hours. I had to prepare about 3 hours worth of material per week
which then got recycled half a dozzen times.

Last term, I had 24 classes of 45 minutes each. I only prepared one lesson which was then taught
24 times. So there is not much preparation time involved here. For that work I got 5k per month.

This term I'm teaching entirely at the private schools. I get 100 to 150 yuan per class. A class
is always 1 hour. Preparing classes doesn't take much time. Especially after the first year since
I get to reuse last years lesson plans on the new students. There are a few lessons that I have
polished to near perfection after repeating them more than 50 times each in the last year. Keeping
good notes before and after each class means that you can save yourself allot of time later on.
Re-using the good lessons and re-writing the lesser ones.










puffdradon123 -

looking for partner to creat an online spoken english teaching site
i'm in beijing and planning to creat a website of online spoken english teaching,i want to find a
partner to do it together,if you are interested in it,whether you are an english native speaker or
you are a chinese in beijing,please contact me: 1,by email: puff1 212@163.com 2,by msn:
rq1212@hotmail.com 3,by skype: dudududu205












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